Oriana Schwindt is one of those former journalists-turned-screenwriters. She lives in Los Angeles now, but is pretty sure it’s just a phase. She’s a co-host on Megaphonic’s own By-the-Bywater Tolkien podcast and is considering reviving her old podcast about grift in America, called, uh… American Grift.

Oriana and Michael talk about imagination, the persistence of trauma, learning to be vulnerable, giant trees, and visiting the geographical centre of all fifty American states.